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 10-29-2003, 19:20 Post: 67477
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Toyota makes a nice 4 cylinder diesel pickup. That was primarily all the vehicles I saw while I was in Honduras. Almost everything is diesel due to the limited availability of fuel and need for a reliable vehicle.

Part of the problem is that most folks just don't appreciate or like the table manors of a diesel and now more recently they are not able in some cases to comply with Tier II EPA requirements. Primarily NOX emissions.

I'll tell you what; after driving my Cummins I will never go back to a gas engine again. When the Sargeant Major's Ford Taurus finally poops out, we plan to get a VW TDI Wagon Passat or other diesel auto.

Heck, now that Scott has found my dream pickup truck in his photo pictures #8; I may just stop looking! Wink yeah right






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 10-30-2003, 08:55 Post: 67529
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Murf I saw 1,000's of those Nissan Patrol Wagons when I was in Saudi Arbia and Kuwait. Very nice vehicles and the A/C was great! Wish they would import something like that to the States. The Saudi's liked the Suburbans because of the huge size and 454 engines but they were not all that reliable. I usually ended up with the good ole' Army issue 1 each "Duce 'n half" aka the 2 1/2 ton truck with a Continental Multifuel inline 6 diesel engine manual transmission, NO power steering. (good for building Popeye arms Wink yeah right Every once in a great while I got to drive the new 5 ton truck with the Cummin C series 8.3 litre and Allison automatic. The fastest trucks were the HEMMMT's. They had a turbo-super charged Detroit 8V-92 engine. The soldiers would disable the govenor and they would do a bit over 90 mph.






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 11-14-2003, 10:59 Post: 68740
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Mark, what is the GCVWR for your Tundra? That may be what the limiting factor is. If the trailer exceeds this rating, I bet the rental guys are afraid of being sued if you have an accident. In this sue happy country we live, can you blame them.

I bet your Tundra could do just fine with a tandem axle trailer just as long as you did not get too carried away with the weight. I can tell you from my experience pulling a load of fire wood in my 14' Ja Mar tandem axle that it gets pretty heavy. Probably approaching at least 8500 lbs. or more with wood stacked even with the top of the trailer sides (about 24" high). The weight can really fool you. I can definitely feel the weight back there even with my Cummins powered Ram 2500. The dump trailer does make life VERY pleasant. Wink yeah right......... try loading and then unloading & stacking a 2 cord trailer load. Takes forever! The guy I cut firewood with is gonna be working on building a dump trailer for next year. Wink yeah right






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 11-14-2003, 13:59 Post: 68755
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Good point Mike! Laughing out loud! Wink yeah right Was just presenting the devil's advocate option. Should not make any difference what truck you have within reason as long as you bring the trailer back in original condition.






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 11-14-2003, 16:58 Post: 68771
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No offense taken Mike. Wink yeah right I think in this day and age of sue happy people and too many lawyers they may have the same fear a bar tender has. It is the drunks responsibility not to drive after drinking, NOT the bar tender's. I suppose perhaps they may have been sued already. You never know. I agree with you on the abdication of personal responsibility in this country. People are suing McDonalds for getting fat eating there for Pete sakes!!!! Wink yeah right

Back to the wood and trailer. If you just fill up the trailer just below the tops of the sides with wood; you are gonna have a HEAP of wood and a LOT of weight. Hope you don't have to go far or up many hills. That can really be tough on the tranny. Just have to make sure you distribute the wood's weight evenly in the trailer and keep the tongue weight reasonable.






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 11-14-2003, 17:59 Post: 68773
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Mark, I think if you showed up in that "Power Man's Truck", I bet you can take anything on the lot. Wink yeah right I think that is when I would tell him, I'm taking my business to his competitors.






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 11-15-2003, 12:15 Post: 68825
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OK, here is a "Rough" calculation of your scenario:


Tundra numbers:
Curb weight........ 4262
Payload............ 1938
GVRW.................6200
Towing capacity..... 7200
GCWR.............. 11,800


The chart does not say what cotton wood weighs per cord but let's estimate 5,000 lbs and 2,000 lbs. for a tandem axle dump trailer. Let's figure about 1.5 cords per trailer load. The wood would weigh 7,500 lbs. and with the trailer that comes to 9,500 lbs.

Adding in the curb weight of your truck; this totals out at 13,762 lbs. Which would put you 1,962 lbs. over your GCVWR.

Even if you reduced the amount of wood to the exact amount of 7,538 lbs. (which puts you right at 11,800 lbs. GCVWR); you still have to deal with tongue weight. Recommended tongue weight to maintain trailer stability (keep sway & high speed wobble to a minimum) is 5% - 8%. I would suggest the higher limit of 8% with that much weight but that puts you over your tongue weight limit of 500 lbs. so lets use 6.5% which comes to 490 lbs.

You could pull this load but you are at the ragged limits of your trucks ability. I can tell you from personal experience that pulling this much weight up much of any type of hill is EXTREMELY taxing on your automatic trans. (take a look at the boat and tow rig I have in my pics) On hills with my boat in tow pulling with my old K2500 Suburban with the 4L80E trans. & 4.10 gears; I would be down to 30 mph with the peddle to the floor in second gear. The trans. would get VERY hot (inspite of a Mag-Hytek trans pan, synthetic trans oil, and 2 trans oil coolers.

If they want to play ball that way. Rent their sigle axle trailer and load it up as high as you can stack it. You should still be able to get a damn heavy load of wood on it and not be so hard on your truck. Alot of folks think my truck was huge over kill for what I do with it but they never tow like I do. I pull a full trailer of fresh cut oak when I am cutting which comes to nearly 1.5 cords. I can tell you that it IS HEAVY. Use 4 lo if you go off pavement to unload the trailer. It is MUCH easier on the rig.

The Toyota Tundra is a nice truck Mark. Just don't want to see you damage it. When I first started cutting fire wood, I was astonished at how much it weighs. I don't load my trialer up like I used to now that I realize how much weight is had on the trailer (over 11,000 lbs. in some cases).

Here is a chart to help estimate wood weights:







Link:   Weight of Wood 

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 11-15-2003, 14:01 Post: 68833
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I hear ya brother! Cutting it, loading it, unloading it, splitting it, reloading it, unloading it at the point of sale. Being able to load it in the trailer the 1st time with a FEL and unloading with a dump trailer sure does save some sweat and aching back! Wink yeah right






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